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| Uzumaki Naruto |
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Auto to topic anaferete monon se autous pou exoun dei olokliro to Neon Genesis Evangelion kai to End Of Evangelion...Pistevw oti sigoura kapoios thqa petaxtei kai tha pei "to exoume xanasizitisei auto sto tade topic tin tade stigmi" alla paidia sorry, den exw ton xrono na psaxw olokliro to forum gia na vrw mia apantisi kai xerw pws qan mpw se ena topic gia to evangelion pou exei lavei kamia penintaria apantiseis kaneis den tha prosexei tin erwtisei mou...Axem! Gia tin akrivia tis erwtiseis mou...Peite mou lipon:
1.Giati ma ta xilia genia mou iparxoun ta dio koufa teleftaia episodia tou Neon Genesis Evangelion (25 kai 26) kai pws sto kalo einai teleutaia afou den dinoun telos...
2.Pou kolaei to end of evangelion se ola auta pou parepiptontws einai dio episodia (to 25 kai 26!)
3. kai sumantikotero...Gia poio logo ma ton agio vartholomaio sto telos tou end of evangelion o Shinji (o irwas pou exw misisei perisotero apo opoiondipote allo  ) afou xanaparei iliki morfi kai exei xekatharisei ta panta (epitelous) sto mualo tou (?) prospathei na pnixei tin Asouka pou vriskete xaplomenei stin paralia  Exw xeisei olo to derma tou kefaliou mou me auto to thema. kamia boithia apo tous poio exipnous apo emena? |
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Κυρ Μάρ 14, 2004 9:01 pm |
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:: ReVieWeR ::
Συμμετέχει από: 16 Ιαν 04
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Koita den einai thema eksypnadas. Gia ta 2 sou prwta erwthmata to pragma einai aplo. Otan paixthke to evangelion ta 2 tou teleutaia epeisodia htan to 25 kai 26 pou eides. Alla epeidh opws esena twra etsi kai tote tous iapones den ikanopoihse kanena apo ta 2 afou htan epieikos akyra, o kosmos ekrakse thn GAINAX kai ton Hideaki Anno. Meta vghke to Death and Rebirth pou epikentrwnetai pio poly stous xarakthres kai apla dinei allo telos afou stamataei sto telos tou 24.
Argotera epitelous o filos mas o Hideaki apofasise oti oute auton kalyptan ta 25 k 26 kai evgale to end of evangelion me 2 alternative epeisodes pou empainan sthn thesi twn paliwn. Gia mena auta at 2 eps sto end of evangelion eina apla koryfaia kai etsi tah eprepe na kleisei kai h kanonikh seira. Oti kalytero... 
Twra sto 3o sou erwthma, epeidh anno einai autos kai ta dika tou tha ta kanei vrexei xionisei, pistevw oti kathara proswpika, o shinji nikaei tous daimones tou eswterika kai isws apla vriskei k mia eukairia na to exwterikeusei skotwnontas thn asuka pou ton eixe k axti kai ton ekraze kollhmena. Shinji einai autos kai den mporeis eukola na vgaleis akrh. Yparxei k mia megalh pithanothta auto to gegonos na symvainei apla sto myalo tou.
Anyway gia emena to NGE einai oti kalytero exei vgei eidika an kapoios to dei me thn seira ep1-24 kai meta kateutheian to End of Evangelion (to exw ksanapei to kserw  )
P.S Shinji = Anno kata thn tapeinh mou apopsh. Autos o anthrwpos mallon vgazei ta eswpsyxa tou panw se auton ton xarakthra. (k katafernei na ton mishsoun oi pantes k san anime xarakthra)
P.S2 Elpizw to Genesis Reborn pou molis kykloforhse na mhn mperdepsei perissotero ta pragmata |
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| utsutsu |
| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Μάρ 15, 2004 1:56 am |
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:: ANiME.LoRD ::
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Μάρ 15, 2004 11:31 am |
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:: ReVieWeR ::
Συμμετέχει από: 16 Ιαν 04
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| koita to End of Evangelion einai apla KORYFAIO. Makari kai h kanonikh seira na teleiwne etsi. To thema einai oti DEN einai mia autonomh tainia alla 2 diaforetika epeisodia 25 k 26 mazi. Dhladh an den exeis dei ta ypoloipa 24 apo thn seira tha xaseis olo to nohma. |
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| Menghus |
| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Μάρ 15, 2004 11:40 am |
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:: ANiME.DRuNK ::
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Τόπος: Ξάνθη Τώρα Βλέπω: Πολλά και διάφορα |
είναι πολύ μπερδεμένη φάση το τέλος του Evangelion. Είτε καπνίσανε πολύ χόρτο όταν τα κάνανε είτε τους είχε τελειώσει και ήτανε σε κατάσταση στέρησης  . Πάντως κατά την γνώμη μου το EoE είναι καλύτερο από τα eps μόνο και μόνο επειδή δείχνει και κάτι. Κατά τα άλλα προτιμώ τα επεισόδια γιατί με χαλάσανε κάποια πράγματα στο EoE. |
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| Uzumaki Naruto |
| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Μάρ 15, 2004 3:34 pm |
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:: PoSSeSeD ::
Συμμετέχει από: 19 Ιαν 04
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Τόπος: 'Εδεσσα Τώρα Βλέπω: Initial D |
| Genesis rebirth? Whats that? Den 3erw tipota gia auto opws episis den 3erw tipota gia to death and rebirth...Mipos einai ekeino to OVA pou stin ousia itan mia perilipsi twn 24 epeisodiwn pou to exoun ferei kai sta videoclubs? |
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| Sai |
| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Μάρ 15, 2004 6:01 pm |
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:: ANiME.eNGiNe ::
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 Me prolave o general.
Kat arxhn auto pou mas kaiei:
TI EINAI TO GENESIS REBORN ??????????
Twra na symplhrwsw kapoia pragmata. To End of Evangelion, opws eipe kai o general, einai ena enalaktiko telos pou antikathista ta 2 teleutaia epeisodeia, ta 25 kai 26. Ta pragmata de diaferoun toso poly. Kai sta 2 telh to 3rd impact ginetai apo tous anthrwpous. Aplws sto end sou deixnei kai olh th diadikasia pws ginetai. H ousiastikh diafora einai pws sta 25, 26 o shinji einai enas apo olous tous anthrwpous kai apla exetazei thn periptwsh tou. Sto EOE, kathws autos ginetai h skandalh gia to 3rd impact, ehei thn epilogh na to apodextei h na to aporipsei (opws kanei telika, thewrontas to pseutikh eytyxia) gia olon ton kosmo.
Afou exw dei ta epeisodeia 25,26 kai thn tainia End Of Evangelion arketes fores kai meta apo poly skepsh, apofashsa pws gia mena to telos ths seiras einai kalyteroo apo thn tainia, alla tha tan eleipes xwris authn.
To Death and Rebirth apoteleitai apo 2 merh.
Death: Perilipsh ths seiras, me elaxistes epipleon seires.
Rebirth: Synexeia ths seiras meta to 24 epeisodeio. Einai akrivws to idio me ta 20 prwta lepta tou end of evangelion.
To Death and Rebirth mporeis na ta vreis se video club alla opws kai me to End, den ehei kanena nohma na ta deis xwris na xeis dei th seira.
Twra sto epimaxo erwthma, auto pou pairnei poly shzhthsh. Giati o Shinji paei na pnixei thn Asuka?
Mia ekdoixh einai auth pou eipe o general. Mia allh einai oti o Shinji synexizei apo to oneiro pou thn epnige. Allh einai oti ithele na vevaiwthei pws einai pragmatikothta kai oxi oneiro. H teleutaia mou fainetai kai h pio logikh, kathws xypnaei se ena kokkino kosmo me ena kefali terastio pisw. Sto psyxologiko tou shock meta apo ola auta, vriskei dipla tou thn Asuka kai pisteuontas pws akoma den einai ston pragmatiko kosmo, paei na thn pnixei gia na vevaiwthei.
Pantws, to shmantiko den einai giati to kanei o Shinji. To shmantiko einai giati o Ano Hideaki (o skhnotheths nte) ton vazei na to kanei. Edw pisteuw einai to megaleio ths skhnhs. H Rei kai o Kaoru tou eipan pws an gyrize ston pragmatiko kosmo, ta AT fields twn anthrwpwn tha yphrxan pali kai tha plhgwne allous kai tha plhgwnotan, ta pragmata dhladh pou o Shinji misouse perissotero ap ola. Ekeinos to apodexthke auto. Me to pou xypnaei, loipon, gia na mas deixei pws o ponos apo thn allhlepidrash me tous allous den einai mono sta logia kai pws den htan asymanto auto pou apodexthke, to prwto pragma pou kanei einai na paei na pnhxei thn Asuka, dhladh na thn plhgwsei swmatika, enw ekeinh me th seira ths otan xypnaei tou leei pws einai ahdiastiko pou klaiei panw ths, plhgwnontas ton synaisthimatika.
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Μάρ 15, 2004 6:47 pm |
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:: ReVieWeR ::
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loipon nomizw oti me auta pou grafei sto prohgoumeno post apo Sai lynontai kai oi ypoloipes aporeies. Twra eksyghseis panw sto ti symvainei sto evangelion mporoun na dothoun apeires logw tou styl tou.
Exei apeira pragmata pou provlhmatizoun...
 as poume pios skotose ton kaji? (rhtoriki erwthsh mhn anoixoume tetoio thema)
Meta se auto pou rwthsate. To Genesis Reborn molis kykloforhse (9 Martiou). Einai DVD me extened kai director's cut TA TELEUTAIA 6 EPISODES ths seiras.
Prosoxh OXI REMASTERED alla plhrws REVISED episodes.
Tha exei skhnes pou den exoun provlhthei pote ksana
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Μάρ 15, 2004 7:02 pm |
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:: ANiME.eNGiNe ::
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Ta epeisodeia 20-24 exoun kykloforhsei director's cut edw kai poly kairo sthn Iapwnia, alla einai genikws agnwsth kykloforia. Pantws kykloforoun fan-subs sto internet. Twra ta 25 kai 26 den xerw. Poly kalo paketo pantws, kathws ta director's cut ehoun merikes tromeres skhnes, kathws kai merika pragmata pou se mperdeuoun parapanw, opws ton Kaoru na milaei me th Seel h ton Adam sto xeri tou Gendo (oxi, den to vlepeis gia prwth fora sthn tainia). Malista, arketes skhnes apo to Death pou den yparxoun sth seira, proerxontai apo to director's cut.
Arage na mporei kaneis na to vrei to dvd ths eikonas sto ebay?
Twra gia to poios skotwse ton Kaji, einai apo ta erwthmata tou NGE pou den eheis arketa stoixeia gia mia sigourh apanthsh kai apla eikazeis. Pantws to pio akyro pou xw akousei einai pws ton skotwse h Misato. ELEOS! |
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| Cursed_manji |
| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Μάρ 15, 2004 7:26 pm |
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Ego ena epeisodio eixa director's cut afto me ton sinji pou gnorizei ton kauro ! na po tin alitheia elege dioti katalavenes kalitera kapoia apo ta pikro stoixeia pou olo kai sou ksefeugoun sto evangelion!
Oso gia ta 25 26 ta authentika itan mia apli psixologiki piesi kai krisi ton xaraktiron!
Sto EoE Itan auto mazi me to third Impact! emena na po tin alitheia sto teles kai kala san na edeixne oti o kosmos epanekinithike!!!
An kai i dikes idees mou aresan kai perissotero mporo na po!
I mageia tou EoE einai oti o kathenas dinei tin diki tou eksigisei opoios den to exei katalavei as to ksanadei kai tha vrei ti diki tou metafrasi! |
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| utsutsu |
| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Μάρ 15, 2004 8:29 pm |
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| Uzumaki Naruto |
| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Παρ Μάρ 19, 2004 6:41 pm |
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| Sai-san, sti metafrasi sto end of evangelion i Asuka leei "I feel sick"... kai mou dinei tin entiposi pws milaei gia tin katastasi stin opoia vriskete kai oxi gia ta dakria tou kopanou pou peftoun panw tis...Aloste prin pei auta ta logia sukonei to xeri tis kai ton xaidevei sto magoulo...Nomizw pws ekeini tis stigmei sumpathei ton akatanomasto kai den ton suxenete...Diafwnw lipon mazi sou mono se auto to teleftaio...Kata ta alla nomizw oti kala ta eipes...Psilovgazw noima (nomizw)!!! |
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Παρ Μάρ 19, 2004 10:23 pm |
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Kat arxhn na pw pws ena apo ta kalytera pragmata sto NGE einai oti o kathenas to ermhneuei opws autos protima. Aplws einai merikes ermhneies pou apla de stekoun symfwna me ta stoixeia pou dinei to anime. Efw tha prospathisw na deixw, oxi oti auth pou lew parapanw einai h swsth, alla oti den einai tetoia, dhladh einai mia pithanh ermhneia.
Kat arxhn, to oti tou xaideuei to magoulo de deixnei kat anagkh agaph. Mporei na deixnei para polla pragmata, alla to pio ameso, einai mia antidrash, den ehei dynamh na kanei tipota allo apo auto gia na stamathsei ton Shinji pou thn epnige.
Twra gia to "I feel sick". Exw thn tainia End of Evangelion se 2-3 diaforetikes metafraseis. Sth mia ontws egrafe "I feel sick", alla se allh elege "It's discusting". Pisteuw oti kyriws to deutero, alla kai to prwto xwris na paratravame to syllogismo, mporoun na anaferontai ston Shinji kai sto gegonos oti phge na thn pnixei kai oti eklege panw ths.
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| 4vatar 0f Death |
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Ok
1. den pisteuw oti prospauei na thn pni3ei o Shinji dioti den exei tuli3ei to xeria sto laimo ths apla thn piezei pshla sto sterno... mallon kati allo h8ele na dei3ei sa na propsa8ei na thn 3upnhsei h kati kai den fainetai kala....
2. Ta 25-26 exoun nohma ean to e3etaseis oson afora se poio koino apof8hnetai, 13-16 Iaponezakia me problhmata epikoinvnias., mallon h8ele na perasei ena "koinwniko" mhnuma gia ta "hikori". (h kapws etsi legete den 8hmamai sorry.. ) |
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| algogono |
| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Σαβ Απρ 03, 2004 3:10 pm |
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:: r00k ::
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Loipon ayti einai i gnwmi gia tin sizitoumeni teleutaia skini. Tin eixa grapsei se ena allo forum (nai, 3eretai se pio), kai tin kanw copy paste, gia na min ta 3anagrafw. Opoios exei ore3i as to diavasei.
Gia thn teleutaia skini pou o Shinji pnigei tin Asuka kai i Asuka leei se sixenomai.
Pws to blepw egw. O Shinji se oli tin anazitisi tou prin apofasisei anamesa stin epistrofi sto miden kai stin deyteri eukairia, anarwtietai gia tin 8esi tou kai ton rolo tou. Giati pligwnei ton eayto tou feugontas apo ka8e prospa8eia, kai giati sixainetai tous allous oi opoioi fainetai na apaitoun panta kati apo ayton. Poio einai to pio odyniro? na pligwnei ton eayto tou, tous allous i fygi? Dimiourgei etsi mia oneirki pseudesthisi (ayti analyetai kai sta 2 episodia tis human instrumetality) tis parousias tou se enan anti-AT-field kosmo, pou o proswpikos xwros tou ka8enos den apilei ton allon. Etsi i oneiriki epi8ymia mperdeuetai me tis syn8ikes tou pragmatikou, opou i figi apokta nohma. 8 aprepei etsi na epitrepsei tin epistrofi sto miden, mia kai o kosmos pou aporiptei tin fygi den tou xreiazetai. Katopin omws sizita me ti fwni tis Rei (kai edw egkeitai kai i diafora meta3y seiras kai tainias), i opoia tou leei oti se mia anti-AT-field katastasi yparxei mia diafora. Thn diafora o Anno tin apokalyptei e3ypna ksekinontas me aspromayres arxika, psyxres kai apsixes eikones, synexizei me kinisi stin poli kai teleiwnei me ena katamesto xrwmatisto gemato zwi kinimatografo. H Rei e3igei ston Shinji tin antiparastasi tou oneirikou xwrou, opou i epilogi pragmatonetai, kai tou pragmatikou xwrou, opou to orio einai aisthito. Stin prwti katastasi to atomo orizei kat epilogin kai i epi8ymia lytrwnetai (to oneiro brisketai sto telos kai stin arxi tou pragmatikou leei). Stin deyteri to orio periorizei kai fylakizei, i praksi apokta synepeia kai i synepeia a3iologeitai kai krinetai. Tote o Shinji giati aisthanetai mia "zestasia" stin 8ea twn anthrwpwn, giati o 8eatis (toulaxiston egw) aisthanetai eyxarista stin 8ea twn anthrwpwn ston kinmatografo pou xazologoun kai paizoun me tin kamera?
Giati to orio pou ti8etai apokta leitourgia. O Shinji otan synanastrefetai me allous, mporei na exei antilipsi tou eaytou tou, apokta EGW, einai plewn yparktos kai anagnwrisimos. H ay8ereti ennoia ws systatiko tou Shinji (mia 8alassa LCL xwris oria), sygkentrwnetai se mia egwkentriki sfaira pou onomazetai plewn to atomo Shinji apto kai energoun. H zestasia tou Shinji einai i aisthisi tou idiou tou eaytou tou.
Meta loipon apo aytin tin apodoxi tis deyteris katastasews kai tin epistrofi se ena "pragmatiko" skiniko, o Anno kleinei me epistegasma twn alithinwn synthikwn. To misos, o fobos, o fthonos, i sixamara, i fygi kai i aporripsi ola ta enstiktwdi kai yposyneidita kinoumena synaisthimata erxontai kai pali sto proskinio, mias kai ta 3exwrista EGW sygkrouontai kai allilo-orizontai (Froydiko stoixeio, to EGW tou allou ginetai AYTO gia to diko mou EGW).
Kai edw egkeitai kai i koryfwsi tis dimiourgias tou Anno. To anatrixiastiko simeio gia mena. Den parousiazei enan mpousoula. Den provalei mia kali kai mia kaki ithiki. Den protasei tin arxi ws stoixeio pou apaitei symorfwsi, alla ws stoixeio pou "symbainei". Telos telos den proteinei kai den epireazei. Ginetai syneidita axrwmatistos kai den epi8ymei na xrwmatisei me "swsto" kai "lathos" ton 8eati. Tou parousiazei me kallitexniko sebasmo tin apopsi tou gia to "ws exein". Apo ekei kai pera o 8eatis EREUNA, EPILEGEI kai APOFASIZEI. O Anno protwtypei gia tin epoxi tou, giati en mesw xiliadwn "strateumenwn" dimiourgiwn (poy 8a sou poun gia paradeigma oti o fonos einai kakos, oti i filia einai kali), metasximatizei tin pragmatiki katastasi wste na dexetai tin epilogi ws pi8anotita. Ayto akrivws einai kai to anatrixiastiko. Sta idia ta logia tis Rei gia tin parousia men tou EGW, gia tin apousia de tou anarxou stoixeiou, oi dimiourgoi tou NGE symmetexoun akrivws sto prwto bima gia synipar3i EGW kai apousias oriou, pragmatikou kai oneirikou! Ousiastika kanoun to prwto bima tou Shinji meta tin epilogi tou! |
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